them because they are a platform. >> so what -- you say this this is the age of the entrepreneur. every government around the world, right, whether the u.s., the uk, eurozone, they're all looking at we have to help the small guys out. >> what's interesting, i was out in the valley, in zurich, in four different countries. none of those entrepreneurs that are starting out even if they're one man band or 50 and they've just raised 10 million, none of them think of themselves as small. so we're not talking about kitchen table lifestyle entrepreneurs. we're talking about fast moving rockets, right? they think of themselves as young, sometimes as dws ruisrup but most importantly, they don't feel the asymmetry in what they're doing.